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Rob Gilchrist - police informant for 'anti-terror' unit

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Rob Gilchrist, a Christchurch-based man has spied on activist groups for more than 10 years. He worked for the NZ Police and was sending information to Detective Peter Gilroy and Detective Sergeant John Sjoberg. They are both members of the Special Investigation Group (SIG). The SIG has groups in Auckland (headed by Aaron Lee Pascoe), Wellington (headed by Brian Woodcock) and Christchurch (where Gilroy and Sjoberg are based). Gilchrist, also know as balaclava, was spying on various groups including the Save Happy Valley Coalition, Peace Action Wellington, Auckland Animal Action and many other groups and individuals.

“This man has not only participated in illegal activity, including breaking and entering buildings, but has incited others to do the same, all the while, being paid by Police to report on them. The Police then use this information to make a case to a court of law in order to obtain search warrants and interception warrants and to make arrests” said Sally Darity from the Justice NOW! Collective. “Gilchrist provided Police with information on at least three of the defendants in Operation 8 – the name for the State Terror raids of October 15th 2007. The police affidavit which was used as evidence to gain interception warrants against these people and many others is filled with ‘informant information’.”

“The ‘informant information’ is not available to the defendants. The identity of the informant is secret. This leaves the defendants in a legal black hole – defending themselves against information they do not have access to, from a person whose credibility cannot be questioned.”

“The exposing of Gilchrist as a police informant is clear evidence of the manufacture of the police case in Operation 8. The Police are desperate to justify their massive ‘anti-terrorism’ budget, so they have branded activists as terrorists. Political protests, including prayer circles outside the US Embassy, are routinely subject to heavy police surveillance. The targeting of political groups should be a wake-up call to everyone who is concerned about the exponential growth of state surveillance and police power at the expense of freedom and justice.”

Articles: How Gilchrist was found out | Police anti-terror squad spies on protest groups | Police using spies and lies to make case | Special Intelligence Group targetting political dissidents | Unsubstantiated accusations

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Yeah I remember this guy, he was at Ngawha for a short time. Anyone else that was there remember all the brave ideas he came up with but wasnt willing to participate in?

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Yeah I remember him at Ngawha and also around the Taitokerau. He was trying to rark people up to do illegal stuff but people were justing wanting to chill. what a A-class wanker

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I remember Hinewhare told him to fuck off and go fight his own battles.

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Nandor Tanczos is interviewing Rochelle Reece on ALTV 8pm tonight, Wednesday, on Greencore. Streamed on Altv.co.nz or channel 65 on SKY TV.

It was Rochelle that exposed Rob Gilchrist.

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I'm out tonight so can anyone put it on YouTube later if possible and post the link

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it would be interesting to hear what Jon White has to say about this, Mr (Howard) Broad's right hand man often stays in the shadows...

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Despite what tv3 said about Rob being "Well & truly undercover" I'm 99% sure I saw him an hour ago on Manchester st turning into Dundas St. Have known him for 10 yrs like all Chch @'s so despite his wearing shades & bike helmet the fact that he sort of skulked away in the opposite direction to the one he was originally going as soon as he recognised me, I'm pretty sure it was him. I reckon that's exactly how the cops would handle it - leave him hanging exactly where he is
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People who snitch think that in doing so they will escape jail, only to find their lives are a living hell having to constantly come up with new information and reasons why their AMCOS officer should not lock them up and throw away the key. They can spin that sort of shit on for years with those dummies that go snitching.

However in saying that, Mr Gilchrist was a payed snitch. In the previous description I gave, the cops never pay, the snitch pays with his or her soul.

In Gilchrists case he didnt have a soul to start with, volunteered to snitch for the cash and for the pat on the back from the state that he was doing them some kind of favour.

If youre reading this Gilchrist you prick, just know that in the US they pay up to USD$10,000 a session for political snitchery, so youre not only a souless sucker of satans scaly pecker but you got ripped too.

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I dunno….is it just me, or is there a resemblance…

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Man he looks hot!

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pulleeeze Pascoe looks like Rick Astley - that pasty ass popstar from the 80s

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Geez, someone uploaded a video of a drunk Pascoe dancing like a maniac
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yu_moia-oVI

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Ah yes - Indymedia - always raising the bar in intelligent commentary.

Na na na na na pascoe is a poo poo

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aww crap i got Rick Rolled

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Sorry that was the wrong video clip, apologees everyone. This is it below:
Aaron Pascoe drunken stupor video

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Police Minister receives assurance on SIGs

http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/PA0812/S00169.htm

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How much did the police pay Rob to spy???

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$600 a week for 10 years is $312,000 tax free dollars. Plus travel costs and accommodation. That's a bit better than thirty pieces of silver.

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0JR5zukeI-Q

anyone have the link to the alt t.v stream? couldn;t find it on the website...

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Not to mention his sickness benefit at $290.00 PW + accommodation supplement. Here at WINZ we're in total shock, we always knew he was a lying client, but due to his drug problems had put him in the unemployable basket. I guess the NZ Police will employ any basket case low life.

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8pm, Alt TV, 22year old chick!?!

Topless?

Or was that just Man Boobs Bomber?

Hell come to think of it Bombers 40yrs old too.

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I don't like that word "Snitch" because it is used to silence truth.

The key to truth is honesty, not what apparently Rob promoted at all (not that I've met him).

Rob sort secrcy and told of the personal lives of his firends. That is a personal betrayal. I'm not into covert stuff, the truth should stand in the light of day and be spoken freely.

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During the 81 Tour a family friend outed her cousin who was a plain clothed cop who marched along side her and so looked to fit in.
An abuse of family in my book that sort to co-opt her into his action.

Why they paid Gilchrist is beyond me, especially as he seems to be the one raising the ante. The key reason this practise should end.

All of these actions need an external oversight. These actions of domestic spying should all be done by court order from a Judge.
Not perfect or free, but a workable and real solution that can be implimented today.

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What blog is that picture of Pascoe from?

Sue was just too PC

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"anyone have the link to the alt t.v stream? couldn;t find it on the website..."

They have a lot of old stuff in YouTube boxes/windows on their website so hopefully they will upload it to YouTube soon.

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Howard Broad, Commissioner of Police lies on Radio NZ

http://nz.youtube.com/watch?v=CN8kpUoZ30c

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There has to be an investigation into Broadocracy and at the very least the disbandment of the Special Intelligence Group.

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"Sorry that was the wrong video clip, apologees everyone. This is it below:
Aaron Pascoe drunken stupor video"

Dammit I got Rick Rolled twice!! grrr

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This is some hilarious stuff! Really good value. Man the editor of the NBR is such a reactionary.

http://www.3news.co.nz/Video/Politics/tabid/370/articleID/84840/cat/167/Default.\
aspx

Matt McCarten and Nevil Gibson (Editor of the National Business Review)
discussing police spying. The guy from the NBR reckons the groups
being spied on are dangerous and possible jihadists! He also says at
the end the groups are dangerous because they are anti-capitalist. 6
minutes long but worth a watch........

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Heres the link:
Link

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Not sure where to go from here. Ive no doubts the editor of the NBR is only reflecting the attitude of police, since big business and police are pretty much two sides of the ame coin....JIHAD!!! for fucks sake, what a pack of fucken morons these people are. I see that line of commenting left both McCarten and the shows host pretty much floored for comment...

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Well that Video of Sunrise TV is proof there are seriously deluded nut-jobs out there and they are very dangerous.

Someone please keep an eye on the NBR.

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That type of belief is probably quite common in the neoliberal right, its usually contained though. Gibson will be quietly kicking himself for letting some of that diatribe outside of its usual circles.

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This is an article written pre 9/11 and pre Operation 8, but prescient...to say the least...

http://maorinews.com/putatara/puta_039.htm

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Begins at

Security & Intelligence
watching the watchers

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Was Gilchrist the guy stirring up the monthly bike rides in Christchurch?

Nowhere else had arrests for a bloody bike ride around town on a friday avo & the question was raised earlier on.

Or are the Christchurch cops just a bit thick and not get the cycling in joke about revolution (it's what wheels do ;)?

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Like Neville Gibson from the National Business Review, the police are well aware that once someone makes a move like selling their 4WD brick and buying a bike, its only a matter of time before they will be heading up the Kyber Pass to Hindu Kush in Afghanistan to go do their training in preparation for Jihad. If they can stop people at the bike riding stage and lock them up in Guantanamo then they can avert a possible repeat of 9/11.

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SIG precrimes officers hand Gilchrist a little momento with a hidden recording device in it as a send off.

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http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10549050

Police-paid spy Rob Gilchrist says a senior officer shook his hand and gave him a "nice little memento" as thanks for his 10 years of undercover work.

Mr Gilchrist said the officer visited him on Thursday night, five days after his role infiltrating activist organisations was publicly exposed.

"It was a very gracious thanks," Mr Gilchrist told the Weekend Herald. "He appreciated the work I'd done over the last 10 years [and] understood how difficult it might have been."

Mr Gilchrist would not identify the police officer, but said it was a "senior officer" he had not met before, rather than his handlers from the anti-terrorist Special Investigations Group (SIG). He would not identify the memento, except to say it was not "as cheesy" as a certificate of merit.

Mr Gilchrist said he was recruited by the police ahead of the Apec summit in New Zealand in 1999.

He infiltrated various activist groups until he was discovered and outed by his now ex-girlfriend, animal rights activist Rochelle Rees.

Mr Gilchrist said New Zealanders should be thankful for his work, some of which "saved the country economically". After Police Commissioner Howard Broad's assurances that the SIG only targeted individuals, Ms Rees released emails showing that Mr Gilchrist also passed police information about the Green Party, student associations and union groups.

The Greens and unions have called for a Commission of Inquiry, and the Maritime Union yesterday threatened to strike unless it got a full explanation and apology from the police.

Asked what the relevance of Green Party and union actions were to the police, Mr Gilchrist said it would have related to protests.

He said his job was a "gatherer", not an analyst, and the information might have had some use he did not know of.

He conceded he was not a real police officer, but would not say whether police had stopped paying him since he was exposed.

Mr Gilchrist said his cellphone was with the electronic crime unit after Ms Rees had said she placed spyware in it after realising he was an infiltrator.

He would not comment if his work in part led to Operation Eight and its so-called terror raids.

Mr Gilchrist said his personal view was that many of the causes he infiltrated "do a lot of good".

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"Mr Gilchrist said New Zealanders should be thankful for his work"

He will be remembered as the:

"The Coward Rob Gilchrist who spied on his friends for cash".

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I can forgive Gilchrist personally for spying to the police. The police should not have been spending tax payers funds earmarked for combatting real terrorsits on covert activity of activist groups, but that is not Gilchrist's concern, he thought what he was doing was right.

What I cannot forgive him for is his concerted efforts to spread lies, slander and dissent among animal right members. I have been on the end of his slander on at least one occasion, and it has caused a great deal of hurt. There were others involved as well, and none of us behaved in a particularly exemplary fashion, but it now seems he was the catalyst of hate who stirred things up.

I hope now he is gone the animal rights movement can move on. We are all so naive when it comes to spies. We keep checking for the wrong people when first Somali, and now Gilchrist have been operating right under our nose. At least Somali was pleasant, and spying was all she did.

I hope we can strike the right balance between looking out for possible spies, and not being so paranoid we trust nobody.

Michael Morris

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I guess many of you dont know how sick Rob is? Oh I dont mean sick as in the way you all see him now but in a mental health way. He loves the attention. Like a child it doesnt matter what sort of attention. Rob had never grown up. And the strange thing is many of you never saw that. To many of us in the early days it was clear what he was about. But I guess many of you were too busy seeing "what he delivered" rather than how you felt about him and his work.
I beleive this is more about how many see themselves rather than Rob. It is about how you all work. You wanted the easy road when there is none. You couldnt see what was in front of you for many reasons I guess. Rob was always a spy. And was picked up in 1998. Oh yes we hear about how he was "hired" by the state till 1999 but I dont beleive that at all.

Rob is like a little school boy trying to get the attention of the school yard bully. And he got it , not only from the state but also from many so called "activists".

Is this about activism or Rob?

Is this about you or Rob?

Is this about the state or you?

Good luck with the answers and some honesty.

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"Rob was always a spy. And was picked up in 1998. Oh yes we hear about how he was "hired" by the state till 1999 but I dont beleive that at all."

Could you clarify/expand on this?

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I think it was clear to a heck of a lot of people what rob was like. I for one never had time for him when he came up to auckland for ar stuff. Unfortunately a small cabal of people encouraged him and abetted his activities, trying to be the cool in scene with the ex army guy. it is because of people like them who thrive on secrecy and intrigue and gossip that people like rob can survive in the activist scene and it is those people who should be having a deep look in the mirror right now.

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More Loudon buffoonery trying to drum up paranoia about Mark Eden while using the 'he should be monitored' technique to slander Mark as an informant (see fake comments from fake Loudon commentors).

http://newzeal.blogspot.com/2008/12/mark-eden-should-police-be-monitorin...

Youre too easy to see coming Loudon.

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I agree about the Louden "bufoonery". But good to see most of those replying can see what a buffoon he is.

One of the posters thinks Mark Eden may be a spy himself. I think that is very unlikely, he would be the last person I suspect (though I never suspected Gilchrist or Somali either so I may be wrong). But I do think Mark is naive, as we all were to some extent. I never liked Gilchrist personally, but while he was such a close mate of Mark's I never questioned his loyalty, because I trusted Mark as a more experienced and politically savvy activist. It seems Mark was sucked in as well. Mark himself would probably hate the term, but he is a leader in the movement and thus needs to be more careful in who he trusts. Or perhaps we all need to take responsibility for ourselves, and obey our gut instinct.

Michael Morris

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If Rob was spying on a group or IDs with any threat he wouldn't get a pat on the back and glitter star Chrismas Card from a cop(?) he never met before. He would get a new identity and a trip to Oz.

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Good point!

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Matt McCarten: Spying on lawful organisations should set alarm bells ringing

When parliament approved a new secret police force four years ago, we were assured it was not to spy on citizens but to keep us safe from international terrorism.

The whole thing was nonsense, of course, and purely political window-dressing so our government could be seen to be doing our part in the so-called war on terrorism.

In response to criticism this unit would inevitably be used against political groups, the then Prime Minister Helen Clark took offence and solemnly pledged it would focus only on real terrorists. Under no circumstances would it have any role in monitoring the affairs of domestic political dissent.

It's now evident the Secret Intelligence Group has been running spies to infiltrate political parties, protest groups, trade unions and other social justice activities.

I have received a folder of emails from the computer of their informant Rob Gilchrist, which shows he has been collecting information about my union, Unite, and seven others since 2005. As well, the Green Party and a number of protest groups also appear to have been targeted.

There isn't anything sinister in the emails from any of these organisations because none of them was doing anything wrong or covert. But the fact Gilchrist was encouraged to keep sending them to his handlers is disturbing. There are even emails from members of Parliament advertising meetings they were to speak at. What could possibly be the purpose of our secret police collecting these?

These groups which were being spied on are incorporated societies carrying out legitimate work on behalf of their members and supporters. They are democratic and transparent. No one has ever accused them of criminal behaviour, let alone terrorism.

When this story broke, our Police Commissioner Howard Broad assured us this unit didn't target groups, only individuals believed to be preparing for serious criminal or terrorist acts. When his informant's emails showed this wasn't true, Broad then said they only observed groups with which terrorist suspects were associating.

Gilchrist started collecting information on our union three years ago. At that time we were running our SupersizeMyPay campaign, set up to abolish youth wages and raise the minimum wage to $12 an hour.

Through a combination of employer negotiations, community demonstrations and parliamentary lobbying, we won. Tens of thousands of workers have since had their wages lifted by more than $3 an hour, in large part because of this campaign, and youth wages were scrapped.

Are our spies seriously suggesting minimum wage workers and school kids working in fast-food restaurants were part of a budding al Qaeda network? My staff recall that Gilchrist inveigled his way into the union by boasting to impressionable teenagers on our picket lines how radical he was and how they needed to take more direct action to win their claims.

The actions of this spy unit go to the heart of our democracy. Frankly, their actions are worse than the so-called danger they claim to want to protect us from. What could be more of a threat to our society than a secret police force paying undercover "Walter Mitty-type" informants to infiltrate and secretly report on civil and political groups? Isn't that what totalitarian governments do?

The only credible defence from our spies is that their informant was collecting random information that they didn't ask for. But he was passing it on for more than three years. If, as they claim, they weren't targeting these groups, then why wasn't this informant told to stop?

The right-wing argument that if you're not doing anything illegal you shouldn't need to worry should go both ways. Therefore my union has filed an Official Information Act request for all communications about Unite. If they aren't doing anything wrong they will have no problem in agreeing to our request.

For those of you who feel I may be over-reacting I raise the following incident which does have a sinister undertone. A meat worker who ran as a communist candidate in the last election was detained at Auckland Airport for four hours after returning from Australia. She was subjected to a humiliating strip search. Nothing was found. But what was disturbing is the Customs officers spent the whole time grilling her on her political activity and were well aware of her history.

The only way you can explain this is that a file has been compiled on her and given to other state agencies. If this doesn't worry New Zealanders, we're in real trouble.

The best Helen Clark could come up with last week was surprise at what's happened. The new Prime Minister, John Key, should agree to the request by the targeted unions for a full inquiry. If the unit has been spying on organisations carrying out lawful work, it should be disbanded and the Police Commissioner sacked.

In future, when our political leaders tell us we need greater police power to fight terrorism, just be aware it has little to do with keeping us safe and everything to do with keeping us under control.

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/politics/news/article.cfm?c_id=280&objecti...

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"Could you clarify/expand on this?"

Read the post underneath. There is no need to make it clearer. The real problem was it was clear from very early who Rob was but as that post says:

"Unfortunately a small cabal of people encouraged him and abetted his activities, trying to be the cool in scene with the ex army guy. it is because of people like them who thrive on secrecy and intrigue and gossip that people like rob can survive in the activist scene and it is those people who should be having a deep look in the mirror right now."

Good to see some good thinks are around. Well said that person.

He was and is an attention seeker. You wanted to beleive so you did and put us all in the firing line. So really you are all to blame for being dumb arses. Small groups of trusted people. OK?

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Actually I wanted you to clarify the bit I quoted. Specifically, "Oh yes we hear about how he was "hired" by the state till 1999 but I dont beleive that at all." It needs clarifying because it's ungrammatical and so the meaning is not clear.

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"Small groups of trusted people."

And what exactly do these small groups of trusted people actually achieve? The idea that affinity groups is actually some way of organising any kind of social change (as opposed to a strategy for some kinds of action) is a far bigger problem than Rob ever was. - John A.

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"....a strategy for some kinds of action..."
thats generally what affinity groups are for.
How would YOU expect to make change WITHOUT ACTION?

"Small groups of trusted people."
a strategy for keeping out infiltraters.
also a useful strategy for achieving common goals due to the common ground that brought the group together to start with.

Some people are happy to be a cog in the machine dictated to from anyone higher up the heirachy, no questions asked. Rob for example.
Some prefer horizontal organising, understanding themselves in that context, and operating by consensus. Some of the groups/individuals Rob tried to incite unsuccessfully for example.

The former group reinforces the status quo and preferably should not have any independent thought ever.
The latter operates in roughly the opposite way to the former. This is only a problem to the former group and its adherents/supporters.

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Cells don't work.
Look at the skin-heads. They end up knee capping each other or ratting on the more murderous members amongst them to shorten their own time for complicite crimes. - There's a group the cops should infiltrate!

I'm fundamentally opposed to closed, or secret groups. Members of my extended family are Masons, and any secret group only ever trys to achieve the same selfserving aims as they do.

Flat organisations with clear common aims and no heirachy work best. "If you cut off my head another will raise in its place" kind of things - to quote from my Jihad manual (Got yours yet - Unite Union can supply ;)

Open transparent organisations will gain a wider appeal on common issues. Playing Secret Squirrels only spins your own wheels and little fantasy world.

The moral high ground is there for the taking, be honest and open, stand in the sun, and take the high moral ground. It is a firmer platform and a safer place to be.

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Affinity groups are not intended to be permanent groupings, more to act for more immediate outcomes then disband. There is not accumulation of power.
The "moral highground" is not always legal, and since most activists are not part of ploughshares who include waiting for the cops to come take them away as part of their strategy, it is not necessarily wise or useful to be overt.

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It is fair to say I'm keen on the Ploughshares kind of thing.
I don't know those three (God bless'em) but I know quite a few others and I'm taking my lead from them.

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yeah I gotta take the moral high ground cause the bastards stole all the land

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The police couldn't infiltrate the skinheads because the two organisations are too closely intertwined.

A skin is quite a fashion statement among police yet there are no dreads there.

That's just where their heads are at.

They certainly don't represent the attitudes or demographics of the wider community and as such the fail their founding Peelian principles.

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Shit - I've just worked out why the NFs Kyle Chapman et al are now stating publicly they're not political and only survivalist interested in bush craft and family values.
They were tipped off that all political groups are targets!

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Discussion about how to organise is a bit onanist when the real stuff is happening in Greece.

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When the Nazis came for the communists,
I remained silent;
I was not a communist.

When they locked up the social democrats,
I remained silent;
I was not a social democrat.

When they came for the trade unionists,
I did not speak out;
I was not a trade unionist.

When they came for the Jews,
I remained silent;
I wasn't a Jew.

When they came for me,
there was no one left to speak out.

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I remember Mr Gilchrist now. I thought he was genuine, what a shame he has seeped so low.

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Has he seeped low or was he always a lowlife?

Lets examine the various skillsets that Rob Gilchrist has acquired.

You see, his actions of approaching leftist activist groups were deliberately undertaken with the aim of befriending and establishing an emotional connection with various activists, in order to lower the activists's inhibitions in preparation for coercing them into committing acts considered a crime by the state. We will call this skillset, 'Activist Grooming'.

The act of grooming an activist may include activities that are legal in and of themselves, but later as the relationship becomes more casual the activist groomer will seek to justify their fantasy of being an undercover james bond character by coercing the mark into committing an arrestable action.

Examples of activities sometimes used as part of Activist Grooming:
- Taking an undue interest in the young and the new to the activist scene
- Openly promoting acts considered illegal to the state
- Coercing activsts into discussing ideas the state considers illegal while recording the conversation
- Turning one activist against another as a form of control
- Turning activist groups on individuals as a means of diversion

Now, Im not suggesting that Rob Gilchrist is a pedophile, but these are all the traits of a profession child groomer, traits the intelligence community looks for in undercover/deep cover police officers. The ability to stalk, befriend, show affection to, show affinity with, with someone or a group of people whom you dispise is the very skillset that best fits both undercover police officers and also child groomers.

Is it just a coincidence that Rob Gilchrist also groomed under-aged teenagers for his sexual gratification? Perhaps that is an indicator perhaps it is not, but what is certainly clear is the act of Activist Grooming, and again, I am certainly not suggesting that Rob Gilchrist is a pedophile, or has committed acts of pedophilia in the past.

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Is he still alive??

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Why wouldnt he be?

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what are you asking?

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If you guys are stressed over one known undercover secret police agent, spare a thought for the Socialists of pre-World War I Turkey.

They were 100% undercovers, spying on each other!

When the Sultan heard that socialists were active in Europe, he ordered his police to start a Turkish group. All its members were agents (but unknown to each other) and all regularly reported back to their handlers on what the others were saying.

When the Sultan read all the reports, he decreed that the socialists were "dangerous" so ordered the arrest and excution of the lot. So all the police spies were killed!

(Source: "Black Flag", UK anarchist zine about 10 years ago.)