This site is an archived version of Indymedia prior to 5th November 2012. The current site is at www.indymedia.org.nz.

Police spies caught in the act.

in

Last night (Tuesday 16th), as an October 15 Solidarity meeting was winding up at Oblong/Freedom shop, attendants were alerted to the presence of half a dozen suspected plain-clothes police positioned outside in Left Bank pedestrian mall.

At ~8:50pm last night (Tuesday 16th), as an October 15 Solidarity meeting was winding up at Oblong/Freedom shop, attendants were alerted to the presence of half a dozen suspected plain-clothes police positioned outside in Left Bank pedestrian mall. One was noticed pacing back and forth past the front door, looking in on the meeting. As other activists showed up in response to the alert some meeting attendees came outside to join in confronting the suspected police. The plain-clothes got up and started toward Cuba St together. They were asked to disclose their badge numbers, but nobody amongst the group was saying anything.

A group of us followed them. Initially they attempted to shield one man in particular (the man pictured in the white jacket) and identified to him a person in our group who had been in the meeting. As they made their way to Dixon St and then along to Taranaki St several more people joined their group from various positions. They moved down Taranaki St to Wakefeild St, and several more people joined them.

Some eventually started telling us that we had it all wrong, we making fools of ourselves, and that they were actually a group doing a teambuilding exercise, although they would not disclose any company or group name.

Some of us were using cell phones to take pictures and getting around in front of them asking them more questions about what they were doing and who they worked for. They were pushing us around. One of the women with them told one of us “we're not dangerous”.

Some of them were using cell phones sending text messages. Two of them were hanging back from their group in some kind of attempt to mingle with our group in a pseudo friendly manner (the man with the big moustache in particular), and trying to extract personal information from us.

Still following, we headed across the New World car park where one of us dashed inside to purchase a disposable camera. They then went to Chaffers Park where another group also in plain-clothes emerged to meet with them. They regrouped. Altogether there were approximately twenty five of them. They tried to tell us it was all a joke and how silly we were for being fooled.

It was made absolutely and extremely clear to these people that whoever they were, what they were doing was totally unacceptable and unwelcome.

The group left the park and we followed. We photographed them as they stood around and then moving. Some were still pretending it was a joke and denying being police while two of the men started to act more aggressively, pushing people in our group and trying to chase and intimidate individuals, one of them approaching one of the women in our group saying “I'll nut you”. When asked if this was a threat he replied “yes”. Others went on to make ill informed and juvenile jokes aimed at our group.

They went to the waterfront where the group split up. One group was followed around and around and around the boat shed. Another group was followed over the foot-bridge. We continued to follow both groups. One group split again, we followed them too.

One group proceeded back toward Left Bank, where they entered a couple of cars at the Willis Street end of the mall, one of which was a blue station wagon.

Another group stopped by the playground for a 'team talk', at which point we departed.

At approximately 10pm, two plains-clothes police cars, a blue stationwagon, a black SUV, a white car, a few other cars, and a well equipped police surveillance vehicle turned up in quick succession to the Wellington central police station, entering the internal police parking lot. Many of the people from the group/s we had followed were positively identified as passengers in and in some cases driving the vehicles. Other plain-clothes police also were present on the street near the station. Shortly after, the surveillance vehicle re-emerged from the car park, then quite a few marked vehicles were seen to enter the garage one after the other.

We found out that a person working in 'Offbeat' cafe knew of this 'exercise', however the staff member advised that they could not disclose anything to us 'for legal reasons'. When asked whether they were cops, the staff member replied in a vague manner, “did they look like cops to you”.

Some of the vehicle details are as follows:
Mid Blue stationwagon, Number plate COZ127

Could those who have other details please post them.

Comments

more mugs

more mugshots from last night.

more mugshots

More shots from last night.

Another plate #

One more mug.
XG2881 - Dark blue Holden wagon.

Re: Police spies caught in the act.

dont they just look like brainless ,gormless yobs .....well that is a pre requisite for being a copper

Re: Police spies caught in the act.

So what was the meeting about and why would the Police be so interested in finding out?

Re: Police spies caught in the act.

Ahahahaha what complete idiots.

Nice work welly activists :)

Re: Police spies caught in the act.

HOLDEN VT COMMODORE 1998 (in Blue)
Plate: XG2881
Registration cancelled

Basic details
Make: HOLDEN
Model: VT COMMODORE
Year: 1998
Submodel: 3.8 EXEC WAG AUT
Main colour: Blue
Vehicle type: Passenger Car/Van
Body style: Station Wagon
No of seats: 5
Registration
Registration status: Lapsed
Vehicle usage: Private Passenger
Cause of latest registration: New
Date of first registration in New Zealand: 1998, August 18th
Cancellation date of registration: 2008, February 18th
Date of last registration: 1998, August 18th
Registered overseas: No

Plates history
Plate Effective date
XG2881 1998, August 18th

Warrant of fitness (WOF)
The WOF expired more than 1 year ago (4th February 2007). Last inspection was successful on 4th August 2006.

All the Police cars I've seen have always been up to date with rego's.

Any pics of said vehicles entering the station? If so I'll do more digging but otherwise I won't.

Re: Police spies caught in the act.

And nil information at all on COZ127 - not a valid/issued plate. If it was police surveillance, it would come back to the vehicle it was on, with a fictious registration (fake owner details and nonexistant address)

Re: Police spies caught in the act.

Weird. At least one of those pictured was positively identified as a passenger in a vehicle entering the Wellington Central Police Station.

Re: Police spies caught in the act.

This is really great work welly peoples.

Re: Police spies caught in the act.

Do they have a warrant? This deserves wider publicity but I expect the official media won't touch it.
Just proves how much money is still being wasted on investigating non-existent terrorists.

Re: Police spies caught in the act.

I chortled at the ridiculous incompetence. Don't that handlebar moustache and those retroreflector stripes just scream "plainclothes cops"?

Re: Police spies caught in the act.

Are there any good journalists for the radio, TV, or newspapers who might be interested in making a story about this? Could be good. Everyone loves a story about bumbling cops.

Re: Police spies caught in the act.

After been verbally abused by the guy running offbeat, and verbally spewing without letting me get a word in, I suggest everybody who possibly can give Offbeat cafe shit about this.

"You're making us lose business by hassling our customers!"
"If you weren't doing anything illegal why should you care!?"
"They were just civilians in plain clothes who came in for a coffee (with an enterouge hanging in all the alleyways)!"

Re: Police spies caught in the act.

Interesting about the plates. I wonder if they were SIS.

Re: Police spies caught in the act.

Don't be so paranoid- this is obviously just a bunch of old 1970's 'blue movie' stars having a get together. You guys are so uptight! ;-)

But seriously- this is very interesting- particularly regarding the expired plates.

Re: Police spies caught in the act.

Heh. Bunch of clowns... actually that's disrespectful to clowns, who perform a valuable service to our community.

Re: Police spies caught in the act.

lol.rofl.lmao
25 spies to watch one small meeting. there is definitley more to this, than meets the eye.

there is no way that these pigs were being used to surveil activists. they seem to be being used to intimidate activists and to have actually wanted to be discovered.

fucking filth.

Re: Police spies caught in the act.

The COZ127 plate was recorded as the car entered the cop shop garage. Seems a bit convenient that none of the vehicles provide any identification info, however, while entering the cop shop garage indicates working with police it does not necessarily indicate working for police.

Re: Police spies caught in the act.

These people seem a bit amateur to be undercover cops. Could they either be SIS agents or hired goons?

Re: Police spies caught in the act.

Err so the cops were conducting covert surveillance by having a large group of 25 overweight middle aged officers standing in a very conspicuous group directly outside the meeting with one pacing back and forth while staring into it?

Or do you believe they were trying to intimidate the meeting by including fat dressed up middle aged women who clearly would never be able to pass the fitness test to ever be cops.

They look like a group of overweight unfit middle managers or something who chances are were doing some ridiculous team building activity before they were confronted by some paranoid twits who started accusing them of being undercover cops.

Re: Police spies caught in the act.

The fact they had unregistered cars, one of which was seen entering the Wellington police station garage is pretty dodgy though.

Re: Police spies caught in the act.

hmm yeah seems a little paranoid i'm afraid. however it wouldn't surprise either if they were. anyway sounds like a fun night

Re: Police spies caught in the act.

Even if it was just a 'team building exercise' for some dumb corporation, it is mildly disturbing behaviour.

Re: Police spies caught in the act.

I'm the one that posted up the plate information - the information I got is freely obtainable on the internet - it doesn't say who owns the car- not because it's been deliberately hidden, it's because you have to pay for it to get that information.

COZ numberplate has never been issued for whatever reason - the response I get on that plate is the same I get for numberplates in the F series yet to be issued. You folk positive there was no other numbers on it?

If the registration had been cancelled, it says so. If it's lapsed, it says so. And so forth. But I am inclined to believe these aren't cops - I mean look at them all! Then look at the cops doing surveillance at Otago Uni on NORML. If they were cops, they'd be dressed slightly more casual I'd think! Possibly just a bunch of odd people in the wrong place at the wrong time.

Re: Police spies caught in the act.

At least one of them is a detective that works for the Wellington CIB

Re: Police spies caught in the act.

If they're not cops I'd love to know why I saw a number of them heading into the cop shop.

Re: Police spies caught in the act.

To report being followed and accused of being cops? :P

Re: Police spies caught in the act.

They look more like property owners than cops, who aren't much better! Maybe a business gang ready to turn Oblong into a swanky juice bar or something...

Re: Police spies caught in the act.

Hi

Can the person who identified one of these people as a wellington cib detective please indicate which photo? thanks!

Re: Police spies caught in the act.

Where can one search a plate online?

Re: Police spies caught in the act.

Someone should let Nicky Hagar know. He might be looking for material for a new book about surveillance of NZ citizens by central government.
There must be tens of millions allocated to surveillance of us all, given the numbers involved in this incident.

Re: Police spies caught in the act.

I think Nicky Hager would find it amusing, at the expense of the Welly Activists though.

Re: Police spies caught in the act.

Please be nice to Ms. and Mr.s Plods. - These poor folk were probably just feeling a bit lonely and wanted to include themselves in the daily excitement that we activists have... Losers!

Re: Police spies caught in the act.

If they instigated the pushing, and weren't pushing in self defense, you could bring an action in assault (in criminal law) or battery (in civil, more expensive to take, but a lesser standard of evidence required). A threat in itself is considered assault in civil law.

When I finish my law degree and get admited to the bar I'm totally going to help people like you guys.

Re: Police spies caught in the act.

i have seen the maori guy,the fat bald guy(P.S HE NORMALLY HAS A GOATIE AND HAIR I SAW HIM LIKE THAT IN YOUR PIC ON THE SUN 13/9/08),also moustache guy, they are in hastings have been staying at the fairmont motel,h.b motor lodge karamu rd,and another round karamu rd area,THE MAORI HAS BEEN SPOTTED IN A HOUSE IN A STREET 1/504 ------- STREET,THEY APPARANTLEY ARE SOMETHING TO WITH THE GREEN SQUAD,WHO FOLLOW PEOPLE TO VARIOUS LOCATIONS ON INFO GIVEN BY NARCS TO GET OFF CHARGES!!!!!

Re: Police spies caught in the act.

The woman at the top wearing the scarf in the first photo is in the army, she is an intelligence officer.

Re: Police spies caught in the act.

The Maori guy 6th from the top is that ex-cop fella on Outrageous Fortune.

Re: Police spies caught in the act.

This is fantastically hilarious!
I came across this article by accident, but I must say - great work!

This is a joke! These people, two of whom I know very very well, are NOT police! I guarantee that.

I think you've come across a perfect 'wrong place, wrong time' situation, where, in this case, they were telling the truth about being on a team-building exercise. Perhaps it would pay, in the future to believe what you are told...

Would undercover police members be so obviously noticable if they WERE there to fish information about your meeting. Would they have regrouped knowing that you were following after them, and WOULD they have retaliated the way that you say they did? I don't think so, nor do I think your investigating skills were up to scratch, had they have been you would've notice them jump in their cars and head home to their families! Not to the cop shop (unless of course, as stated previously, it was merely to report the strange goings-on of the night!)

Re: Re: Police spies caught in the act.

This is the funniest thing I have ever read..a bunch of conspiracy theorists who have let their minds run away so fast..never let the truth get in the way of a good story folks...none of these people are or employed by NZ Police. That is a FACT. None of these people entered Central police Station in cars..also a FACT. Unless I am wrong, members of the public do not need to identify themselves to anyone especially those who decide to harrass (verbally and physically) them. To the budding lawyer..good luck but maybe get all the FACTS first. If these people are cops why would they then stand around and then walk away to their cars? I think the "activists' are actually very lucky not to have been on the end of harrassement charges for their 25 minute nonstop nonsennse. But whatever floats your boat people.....Facts though please.

Re: Police spies caught in the act.

Under cover cops.... My ass!!!

Re: Police spies caught in the act.

BEWARE NEW ZEALANDERS!!!! There are huge corporates taking away your rights and lives. They spy on you and follow your every move.

All the while they are so sneaky they look just like an office team-building event!!

But dont be scared, we have a group of highly trained "activists" here to keep things in check, they will spot these "undercover cops", photograph them (greg in IT didnt get his pic taken??) and post on the internet for all to see!!!

btw... Mary (payroll) has looked better!! Thats not the best photo.

mmmm.... I dont think any of you guys have got much of a clue, funny reading tho!!

Re: Re: Police spies caught in the act.

Police - No way. Since when do Police need that many staff to view one meeting?
The fact that they would not state who they were is suspicious. I therefore would suspect a law enforcement group of some kind. Definitely not Police though, this group appeared too misinformed, even for the police. They were obviously trained to back away from the situation without making any sort of advancement.
They looked like rookies and I would guess they were trainees of some kind. One of them said they were on a team building exercise. I believe they were. But their avoidance to say any thing suggests they are definitely law enforcement of some type. The fact this group did seem to walk into an unknown situation also suggests they are not cops, cops wouldn't have been stupid enough to conduct a training/team building exercise outside the meeting place. Whoever is running this team is obviously highly inexperienced and very amateurish. I keep thinking of something like Recon Security guards or ADT event guards doing an exercise in the central city.
As for cops entering the central station. I know from a friend that the undercover officers will not make a mass return to the central police station under any circumstance, they're trained in counter-surveillance, given the result of the Uraweras bust, I'd expect Police to be a little more effective than bowling upto the cop shop all in one mass group of hoons.

Re: Re: Re: Police spies caught in the act.

LOL - Look at the cop with the handlebars!!!
Could he possibly look any more like a cop???
Perhaps with a police cap, but it's not actually needed. One look at him hanging around and it's a given.

Re: Police spies caught in the act.

Have any of you ever heard of 'gaslighting'? look it up!

Shiva Kishai