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Anti-capitalist Alliance becomes the Workers Party

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We don't fudge our politics with stupid euphemisms for the working class such as "grass roots folk"; we bend our efforts into the revival of Marxist analysis, to which workers self activity is central.

Anti-Capitalist Alliance becomes the Workers Party

A small but significant step towards left unity was the formation
early in 2002 of the Anti-Capitalist Alliance. The move was initiated
by two small Marxist groups; the Workers Party and revolution
magazine.

The Workers Party came from a pro Mao tradition and revolution from a
pro Trotsky tradition. Unusually in the history of left
organisations, these groups accepted that there are different
interpretations of international communist movement history and
agreed that these differences should not prevent revolutionary unity
in action today.

As well as the two main founding groups the Anti-Capitalist Alliance
attracted a number of formerly independent left activists. The new
collective united around the platform:

1/ Opposition to all New Zealand and Western intervention in the
Third World and all Western military alliances.

2/ Jobs for all with a living wage and shorter working week.

3 For the unrestricted right of worker to organise and take
industrial action and no limits on workers freedom of speech or
activity.

4/ For working class unity and solidarity- equality for women, Maori
and other ethnic minorities and gay men and women; open borders and
full rights for migrant workers.

5/ For a working people's republic.

In June 2004 the former Workers Party and revolution group formally
fused into the Revolutionary Workers League. The RWL is an embryo
Marxist party with a detailed programme. For RWL members there are
rules and strong expectations about what members should do (must help
with paper sales, pay dues, contribute to paper, partake in study and
turn up to branch meetings). The ACA remained as a broader form of
the same organisation, accommodating those wanting to belong with
fewer responsibilities. For ACA members the only expectation was that
they fill out our form, pay $1 and agree with the 5 points, (although
most ACA members have been more active than that in practice).

Since 2002, the Anti-Capitalist Alliance has been active in union,
antiwar, women's liberation, student, anti imperialist and civil
liberties struggles. The ACA has contested local body and
parliamentary elections; standing 8 parliamentary candidates in 2004.
Over this period the ACA has changed, growing in numbers, cohesion
and political experience. This development means it is now necessary
for a change of the organisation's name.

The ACA has developed from a loose alliance into a united
organisation. We've learned that the name "Anti-Capitalist Alliance"
has a negative sound to some workers, which is inappropriate for a
positive optimistic body such as the ACA actually is. After a lot of
debate throughout the whole organisation we have decided to rename
ourselves the Workers Party. The name Workers Party squarely
encapsulates our politics. We orient ourselves to the working class
because they are the only force capable of effecting a revolution to liberate humankind. We don't see workers as victims to be helped with handouts, we see their potential power.

We don't fudge our politics with stupid euphemisms for the working class such as "grass roots folk"; we bend our efforts into the revival of Marxist analysis, to which workers self activity is central. The basic platform of the ACA remains as the Workers Party's basis of political unity. Any person wishing to join an active socialist group need only indicate agreement with the five points and pay $1 to become a member of the Workers Party

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Well that should solve all your problems!

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doesn't working support capitalism?

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The workers party.....what a joke. Go fuck urselves. We the working class dont except ur attempts to control us. What a stupid pack of fuckwits u are. U are no different to any other pretend working class Party. There is no such thing.

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Yes, of course working supports capitalism "cheeky"
Working supports and is a necessary condition of any form of human society. I used to think not working was some sort of a radical stance, now I can see that not working just means others somewhere are carrying you. The champions at not working are the idle rich.

Speaking of such, I thought it was just kings and queens who employed the royal "we" Maatua.

Maybe you'd like to extend your critique of our policies a little further than "go fuck urselves"

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you might have noticed i was being cheeky Don! but in all seriousness i do believe that we could work far less and lead a better life than the capitalist system demands of us.
and as for that maatua, i'm unaware of his activism, save for the abusive comments he regularly posts on indymedia, the tone of which lead me to think he's a 12 year old with a half inch penis. so no respect for that whinging brother.

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you might have noticed i was being cheeky Don! but in all seriousness i do believe that we could work far less and lead a better life than the capitalist system demands of us.
and as for that maatua, i'm unaware of his activism, save for the abusive comments he regularly posts on indymedia, the tone of which lead me to think he's a 12 year old with a half inch penis. so no respect for that whinging brother.

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"idol rich"

your understanding of capitalism is obviously as outdated as your politics. the idol rich don't exist. marx knew that capitalism means the proletarianisation of the world, and the reduction of every sphere of existence into labour and exchange. to fight against capitalism means to fight against non-life. the point is to abolish both work and workers, not deify them.

maatua's critique was stop on.

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Yeah but…

the ACA never really has been Marxist. It’s mostly comprised of self-proclaimed Leninists and Maoists, so, obviously not Marxists, or at best marxists who have meticulously avoided understanding Marx.

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Hey but Raoul if we abolish work... how're we gonna eat? And where are the vids & ipods gonna come from??

stop on the idols

"the idol rich don't exist".

" maatua's critique was stop on".

Umm, guys , we need a revolution in use of the english language before we go and bust the planet in half.

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This thread is HILARIOUS!!!!

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"these differences should not prevent revolutionary unity in action today."
- Why should anti-capitalists attempt to defend Maoist ideas or work with Maoists in revolutionary unity? Mao was a mass murdering dictator and an oppressor of workers democracy.

"3 For the unrestricted right of worker to organise and take industrial action and no limits on workers freedom of speech or activity."
- I'm sure that Kyle Chapman and his neo-nazis cronies will be pleased that people from the former ACA will place no limits on his freedom of speech and activity.

"Maori and other ethnic minorities"
- Maori are not just other ethnic minority, they are the Tangata Whenua of Aotearoa / New Zealand.

"5/ For a working people's republic."
- Instead of calling for workers of the world to unite, does this mean that they want New Zealand to become a new Cuba? I don't want to live in a neo-Maoist island republic.

"Any person wishing to join an active socialist group"
- Don't join the Workers Party, because it isn't one. Socialism is not important enough to them to be included in "the five points", which is their basic platform, and neo-Maoism is not socialism.

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kia ora cheeky
with a name like that guess there isnt much hope a brain could go with it. If u cant read best u dont come on to indymedia. I sure as hell dont intend working with a bunch of control freaks which is just waht the anti capitialist alliance is. As for people not getting their spelling and grammar right.............jeppers...dear me.....How naughty of us Master. We will try to better ourselves in the sytem u put up for me of great masters. How judgemental/middle class is that to judge not the words but how thye are written. Typical of many who come here and call themselves working class. U are not better, in fact worse than the MC arse holes. I cant be bothered with such rubbish. Either act working class or fuck off. Not many here have a clue and as for what I do asm a person day to day u also dont have a fucken clue. The working class dont need idiots so why dont u just move on cheeky.

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children! have some respect for each other, stop calling each other names its awefully childish. could you please keep the discussion to the workers party and not attack those you know nothing about :)

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This argument between various Marxist and pseudo-Marxist sects is like two bald men fighting over a comb.

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cheeky's my real name you prick. don't patronise me...

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hello again cheeky.

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The Workers Party is clearly on the path to disaster. I mean, how can you expect progress from a group with such a short name?! The Peoples Popular Progressive Democratic Workers Committee for the Revolutionary Front of the Peasants and Struggling Proletarian Toilers (Marxist-Leninist) (PPPDWCRFPSPT M-L) which has just been established by 3 kids in a phone box in Kelburn, is the true depository of revoltionary truth and will succeed because of its long name.

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power to the PPPDWCRFPSPT M-L.
none of that watered down reformist shit. this is the only true flavour. vote PPPDWCRFPSPT M-L with your party vote. should get about 74 percent vote

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The PPPDWCRFPSPT M-L sold out long ago.

All true revolutionaries are members of the Revolutionary Vanguard of the Peoples Popular Progressive Democratic Workers Committee for the Revolutionary Front of the Peasants and Struggling Proletarian Toilers (Marxist-Leninist)

Long live the RVPPPDWCRFPSPT M-L!

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on another happy note, the 'Clandestine Anarcho-Syndicalist Network of Aotearoa (HQ Petone)' and the 'Petone Trotskyist Workers' have formally fused into the 'Petone Workers Vanguard'. At our general congress last week the central committee decided to initiate a friendly relationship with the 'Peoples Popular Progressive Democratic Workers Committee for the Revolutionary Front of the Peasants and Struggling Proletarian Toilers (Marxist-Leninist) (PPPDWCRFPSPT M-L)' and the 'Anarcho-Maoist Federation'.

The 'Revolutionary Vanguard of the Peoples Popular Progressive Democratic Workers Committee for the Revolutionary Front of the Peasants and Struggling Proletarian Toilers (Marxist-Leninist)' however is a sectarian organisation whose interests are not complimentary with the 5 point program of the 'Petone Workers Vanguard'.

The great leap forward
1. To sell our paper, the 'Dissident Spark', at every fleamarket in the Wellington region.
2. To hold meetings while the working class is holding demonstrations.
3. To only publish articles written by dead white men with big beards.
4. To replace dairies with internet cafes.
5. For a vanguard republic.

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In the name of Emma Goldman, Noam Chomsky and all other Jewish anarchists throughout history, the 'Anarcho-Kyke Federation of Aotearoa' denounces the elitist methods displayed by the 'Petone Workers Vanguard' and it's allies the 'Peoples Popular Progressive Democratic Workers Committee for the Revolutionary Front of the Peasants and Struggling Proletarian Toilers (Marxist-Leninist) (PPPDWCRFPSPT M-L)' and the 'Anarcho-Maoist Federation'.

The 'Petone Workers Vanguard' is no more than a front group for the (formerly) 'Clandestine Anarcho-Syndicalist Network of Aotearoa'. The Anarcho-Kykes stand for honesty and openness and while the Petone Workers Vanguard may naively believe they will lead the revolution, all Anarcho-Kykes recognise that the revolution cannot be led, and especially not by dead white men with big beards!

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As the official spokesperson of the Aotearoa federated yid anarchists i denounce the anarcho-kyke federation of Aotearoa as the bourgeois lap dogs they really are.

the aotearoa federated yid anarchists is made up of members who pay our 20 cent membership fee and agree with our three points:

1.all workers have the right to chocolate tofu pie
2.universal unemployment
3.the revolution willbe lead by dead wimmin with big beards!

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what relevance has this got to te wai pounamu?

none at all. therefore:

we call for an immediate break away from the northern cur. those traitors have oppressed us and stolen our treasures in the name of the PPPDWCRFPSPT M-L for too long.

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This discussion is funnier than a chocolate fire-screen.

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Fuck the PPPDWCRFPSPT M-L.

Its so eurocentric its not funny.
This is aotearoa, the land of the mauri of hawaiki. We need a maori name for a maori organisation of working class blokes who vomit heaps and sink the piss. No, not WCBBWVHASTP. that just wouldnt work.
Yes, I am talking about The LRWOLTWBMRRALPDDBOLRALR. You guessed it - The Left Revolutionary Will of the Left Tangata Whenua And Other Bloody Maoris for Revolutionary And Revolting Activity Left Platform Democratic Diggers Bloody Oath of the Left Revolutionary Alternative Left of Revolution.

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COMRADES STOP YOUR INFIGHTING!
The Workers can not be betrayed by Stalinists, Trotskyists, Jews or Vangaurdists Again. The AMFA offers a full insurgency program for class war. No Compromise with the workers through petty bourgeois electoral politics or bureaucratic unions. For an end to capitalism, the workers need all out insurgency.
Therefore our five point platform is,

1. Establish arms caches in all towns and cities and points of intensive class warfare.

2. Form revolutionary committees of workers and peasants to maintain the caches, sell the paper, "Dissident Spark", and prepare the workers for the coming crisis of capitalism.

3. Attack and destroy the capitalists military machine and parliament.

4. Join, infiltrate and subvert the Labour Party back to being controlled by the Workers and Peasants.

5. For a Peoples Social Democracy of Anarchy

from the Decentral Committee of Happy Valley, in the hills of Westport, this is the

ANARCHO-MAOIST FEDERATION OF AOTEAROA

"Without an army for the people, there is nothing for the people."

NO COMPROMISE

COMRADES STOP YOUR INFIGHTING!
The Workers can not be betrayed by Stalinists, Trotskyists, Jews or Vangaurdists Again. The AMFA offers a full insurgency program for class war. No Compromise with the workers through petty bourgeois electoral politics or bureaucratic unions. For an end to capitalism, the workers need all out insurgency.
Therefore our five point platform is,

1. Establish arms caches in all towns and cities and points of intensive class warfare.

2. Form revolutionary committees of workers and peasants to maintain the caches, sell the paper, "Dissident Spark", and prepare the workers for the coming crisis of capitalism.

3. Attack and destroy the capitalists military machine and parliament.

4. Join, infiltrate and subvert the Labour Party back to being controlled by the Workers and Peasants.

5. For a Peoples Social Democracy of Anarchy

from the Decentral Committee of Happy Valley, in the hills of Westport, this is the

ANARCHO-MAOIST FEDERATION OF AOTEAROA

"Without an army for the people, there is nothing for the people."

thanks guys

I'd like to thank all the anonymous folks for their comments on this thread. They seem to confirm the need for our continued existance. Its handy to have a left alternative with a vison beyond yet another retread of the tired old Monty Pylon routine.

ps;

in response to Bluntman NZ (No verified email address)

- "Why should anti-capitalists attempt to defend Maoist ideas or work with Maoists in revolutionary unity? Mao was a mass murdering dictator and an oppressor of workers democracy."

As we stated above, the WP(accepts) that there are different interpretations of international communist movement history and
(agree) that these differences should not prevent revolutionary unity in action today.
Some of us have a high regard for Mao's revolutionary contribution, others of us don't. The vast question of the Chinese revolution is an ongoing debate too big to be dismissed in a few paragraphs in this post.
We do not take a religious attitude to past historical figures as some "marxist" groups have certainly done (and still do).

"3 For the unrestricted right of worker to organise and take industrial action and no limits on workers freedom of speech or activity."
- I'm sure that Kyle Chapman and his neo-nazis cronies will be pleased that people from the former ACA will place no limits on his freedom of speech and activity."

Among some activists there is a fixation with the likes of Kyle Chapman which elevates his political importance to an absurd degree. This fixation is shared by the tabloid capitalist press. Chapman & co are anti worker, racist and nationalistic in a small crude inefectual way that's unlikely to pick up any sort of following. Labour are anti worker, racist and nationalistic in systematic sophisticated and effective ways, through their undemocratic industrial and immigration laws. So have National been when in government. And the dear old Greens Buy Kiwi Made is narrowly nationalistic and divisive of international workers unity in a manner that makes Chapman's pathetic flag waving redundant.
We don't waste time playing cowboys and indians with two bit losers when the real damage is being done by the nice clean liberal talking backstabbers.
Our clause about workers rights to organise is aimed at the main enemies. In the event of fascists actually threatening any advance our policy is zero tolerance and no platform for their ideas.

"Maori and other ethnic minorities"
- Maori are not just other ethnic minority, they are the Tangata Whenua of Aotearoa / New Zealand."

And your point is?

"5/ For a working people's republic."
- Instead of calling for workers of the world to unite, does this mean that they want New Zealand to become a new Cuba? I don't want to live in a neo-Maoist island republic.

The shape of a future working peoples republic will be determined by the mass movement of working people who eventually make that happen. Striving for a working peoples republic does not rule out internationalism ( see points made above)

"Any person wishing to join an active socialist group"
- Don't join the Workers Party, because it isn't one. Socialism is not important enough to them to be included in "the five points", which is their basic platform, and neo-Maoism is not socialism.

The five points are basic points for active unity in forging a full socialist programe. The process of such a programe is in a constant state of motion and development, added to and amended by all those attracted to its basic principles. Your caricature of us as a narrow blinkered formulaic rigidly hierachical sect is a straw man.

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Don Franks wrote in response to Bluntman.... "Your caricature of us as a narrow blinkered formulaic rigidly hierachical sect is a straw man."
***Of course it could also be a fairly accurate representation, guess it just depends on your point of view really.

Don Franks wrote...."I'd like to thank all the anonymous folks for their comments on this thread. They seem to confirm the need for our continued existance".
*** It is always handy to have a comedy outlet, I would like to thanks the Workers Party, Socialist Worker/Workers Charter and the CWG for the inspiration and laughter that they provide to so many people.

Don Franks wrote....."Its handy to have a left alternative with a vison beyond yet another retread of the tired old Monty Pylon routine."
***AHHHHHHHHHHH, Monty Python far from being tired and dated has become a classic, a source of much comic hilarity much like the Workers Party themselves.

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I have to say that the Don Franks spoof is by far the funniest!

"The five points are basic points for active unity in forging a full socialist programe. The process of such a programe is in a constant state of motion and development, added to and amended by all those attracted to its basic principles. Your caricature of us as a narrow blinkered formulaic rigidly hierachical sect is a straw man."

Comedy gold!

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I'd like to propose a loose and offensive grouping called the Democractic Insurgent Anarcho-Radical Revolutionary Heterogenous Organisation for Expropriating Aoteroa (DIARRHOEA) - a true movement of movements!

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Hardly the most intellectual or objective of discussions about the name change.
I think its an interesting and important development that a party has changed its name to reflect that its focus is working class struggle. The point being for the last couple of decades there has been a retreat away from class politics. I think much of the discussion on this site (especially on this post) show a) how divorced the left now is from serious workers struggle, b) how unable it is of even seriously discussing class issues seriously.

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Nick Kelly wrote..."I think its an interesting and important development that a party has changed its name to reflect that its focus is working class struggle"

***Nick, Interesting No, Important No, it is at best a rebranding exercise of interest to only members of the ACA/Workers Party and various other Marxist groupings.
***By the way if you need to change your name to reflect that your focus is "Working Class Struggle" then you have many problems that a name changes will not fix.

Nick Kelly wrote..."The point being for the last couple of decades there has been a retreat away from class politics.

***Well Nick, Class politics are still relevant and are still being discussed, however the narrow focus Marxist groups such as yours place on Class Politics while at the same time ignoring Gender and Race politics, Green politics etc turn a lot of people off.

Nick Kelly wrote...."I think much of the discussion on this site (especially on this post) show a) how divorced the left now is from serious workers struggle, b) how unable it is of even seriously discussing class issues seriously"

***You seem to asume that activists/readers on this site should take the ACA/Workers Party as seriously as you do, that is a mistake.
***If people take the piss out of the ACA/Workers Party, it could be that maybe they are past caring what your party gets up to or any other Marxist groupings!
Maybe they are sick and tired of hearing the same old dogma of a discredited political idealogy which along with National Socialism and Capatalism is responsible for the deaths of tens of millions of people in the 20th century.
Maybe they are past caring why the Trots are in the right! Or the Maoists! Or the Leninists or the Stalinists! Or the Albanian Trots!
These groups when they are not slagging each other off over various doctrinal points of interest to pretty much just themselves, are splitting and setting up new formations.
Just a few thoughts on these issues Nick that you thoughtfully decided to share with us all.

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***If people take the piss out of the ACA/Workers Party, it could be that maybe they are past caring what your party gets up to or any other Marxist groupings!

actually the large number of postings here shows rather a lot of caring about what these people are up to.

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Spirit of Kronstat says:
".. the narrow focus Marxist groups such as yours place on Class Politics while at the same time ignoring Gender and Race politics, Green politics etc turn a lot of people off."

Perhaps the spirit would like to leave Kronstat for a minute and have a look around Aotearoa in the 21st century.

Our regular ACA publications SPARK and revolution have consistently addressed issues of gender, race and green politics, along with all sorts of other social issues. Claiming the right to dismiss our kaupapa requires criticising us for what we really stand for, instead of jeering at the cave wall shadow inside your own head.

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Don Franks wrote..."Perhaps the spirit would like to leave Kronstat for a minute and have a look around Aotearoa in the 21st century"

***Grounded well and truly in 21st century Aotearoa/New Zealand Don and I reserve the right to comment/critize on the ACA/Worker Party as i see fit.
I beleive i have the right to do this whether you particularly like the comments or not.
In 21st Century Aotearoa/New Zealand I can make these comments unlike say critizing Stalin who i believe you have expressed admiration for, i do not run the risk of finding myself serving out a 10 to 20 year sentence in a Gulag in Siberia.
If you do not like what i have written in regards to the perception that many people have of the ACA/Workers Party and the rest of the Marxist partys i suggest you get over it.

The Spark 18 October 2005

Don Franks wrote...."Our regular ACA publications SPARK and revolution have consistently addressed issues of gender, race and green politics, along with all sorts of other social issues"

In this copy of the Spark, we have articles on the following...
-2005 Elections
-Don Brash
-Ireland
-Low Paid Workers
-The Murder of a Philippine Unionist
-Immigration Controls
-And a poem from Don on The Baring of the Green

Where are these articles on Gender, Race and green isssues?
By "consistently addressed issues of gender, race and green politics" do you mean you might publish one article a year?

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During 2004 The Spark devoted separate feature articles to:
Brashes'One law for all', paid parental leave, Womens liberation in Nepal, attacks on freedom of speech,International Working Womens's Day, race and class apartheid in South Africa, the Hikoi, racist attacks, Civil unions, gay rights, same sex marrige, Maori and pacific poverty, economic discrimination against woemn, Destiny Church, identity politics, and pay equity along with industrial, anti imperialist and other issues. Race Green and gender issues were also addressed in the course of our editorial comment.

I suspect what "turns a lot of people off" is the fact that we make our own critical analysis of these issues. That sometimes makes liberal adherents of identity politics uncomfortable.

Stalin

Just to answer your other question Spirit of Kronstat, yes, about twenty years I did used to admire Stalin, for a while I had his picture up on my wall. I also used to think at various times, that Labour was better than National, that it was revolutionary not to work, that the world would be at peace if everyone took acid,that test cricket is inherently boring,that it was cool to smoke tobacco and that it would make a difference if we had a woman primeminister. I changed my mind about all those things and still occasionally change my mind now. Try it sometime!

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this is my first time on indymedia, is this a serious left website, could someone clarify what indymedia is about please, it seems from this thread to be a pisstake on people genuinely tryin to change things for the better.

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hey soltru!

you can read the Aotearoa Indymedia Mission statement here: http://indymedia.org.nz/mod/info/display/mission/index.php to find out what this page is about. "The Independent Media centre is a grassroots organization committed to using media production and distribution as a tool for promoting social and economic justice."

This page is open publishing (http://indymedia.org.nz/mod/info/display/openpub/index.php). This means that anyone can write articles and comments here as long as they don't breach the editorial policy (http://indymedia.org.nz/mod/info/display/policy/index.php).

solidarity
smush - Aotearoa IMC

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Beware: Egos at work
Funny ?, interesting....? Boooooring more like!

But what are the detractors proposing as their alternative non-maoist, non-leninist non-trot, non-stalinist, non-sectarian, non-heirarchical real-workers, alternative.
Nothing at all in this lot of posts - which speaks for itself.
In my books it's better to talk to those who genuinely want to change shit than to those who like to hear their own 'hilarious'threads.

My grandad was a rank and file worker, delo and commie way back when stalins soviet union was seen as a beacon of hope in a world wracked by war and depression. From todays vantage point it's easy to look back and ridicule such workers for having the wool pulled over their eyes.But look at how many forces they had doing the wool-pulling -capitalist and PB liberals who needed soviet workers to die for them fighting hitler and who therefore downplayed stalins crimes prior to and during the second war, and by the CPGB leaders who sucked up to stalin'for their own purposes.)

But his belief in the soviet union didn't make him or the millions of workers who thought the same way a bunch of nutters. Just misinformed, and misled. Eventually he saw the light, and ditched them to concentrate on building unionism.

"Don" might have some explaining to do re. his political past, and his party's tragic record of being the NZ cheerleaders for stalin, mao and hoxa, but unlesss anyone has any concrete evidence of his having bureacratically fucked with anyone, trampled on the rights of others or been personally complicit in the crimes of his former political mentors (ie pulling triggers) he at least seems to be on the workers side of the fence.
The fact that he is still out there fighting the good fight when he should have gone into retirement long ago are testament to that.

So far any such evidence is lacking in the torrent of raw abuse.

Of course there are of course plenty of anti-democratic and anti-worker fuks in the NZ left movements as elsewhere. I have seen them operate in the old-CPNZ in the old (pre-ACA) WP, in the ranks of the various Anarchos and during the old Te Roopu Rawakore and NLP days to mention a few. Most have never come clean on their earlier bureacratism and persist in the same old ways.

The usual way of identifying such people is an inability to take or deal with criticism or difference, inability to admit to past wrong, and a tendency to deal in slanders and abuse.

So who fits this bill in this discussion?

Just for the record. The ACA's metamorphosis into the "new"-WP (which is one of the groups that created it) is an act of political contortionism no matter how it's dressed up. It shows that the membership has probably realised that the ACA was never really a viable left unity platform in the way that the Australian Socialist Alliance was, albeit briefly. It is entirely appropriate that it gets engulfed by one of the parties that formed it.

But the idea that the "new"-WP is now some kind of United Front for independent leftists or workers (with a spare $1) is also an illusion. For the reasons touched on in these threads, no-one is going to join who has any idea of the WP's previous politics for which there has been little public acknowledgement apart from the throwaway lines about, previous "underestimations" and vague past "errors".
WP will have to come clean on this history if as they say they seriously propose to open a new chapter.

But more importantly for the rest of us, what those on the socialist left need to be doing is creating real unity in action and real united fronts based in real issues rather than abstract pronouncements, media adventures and the useless politics of the self.

Perhaps by this means the contributors to this discussion could show, in practise, how they are differ from the the WP they like to criticise.

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actually imc.. i think the name change could simply be a truer representation of the positive nature of the organization.

"come clean" don't the merits of current views and actions speak louder than the pasts

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Actually Nickster, I'm quite prepared to believe that the WP comrades are genuine in their desire to be involved in a more productive politics than was the case in the past.

BUT...the point is todays action must inevitably be based on yesterdays reflection. To date there has been little concrete public evidence of this reflection to let us see where this group is likley to go in the future.

For example; The old CPNZ used to engage in all kinds of mudslinging and hideously bureacratic action to marginalise all those who didn't follow the Enver Hoxa way as dictated by their own NZ national secretary. Genuine militants who took a different view, or who associalted with those who did were ridiculed and excluded from grass roots organisations. And the most vitriol was saved for those who criticised the CP's stalinism from a trot perspective. Yet in a short period (of only weeks) following the collapse of their communist paradise Albania, the CPNZ suddenly junked its entire history and emerged as a fully fledged associate of a british TROT group.
NO accounting was ever made for their treatment of their own internal dissidents (many of whom were chucked out of the party) or of their attitude to other currents on the left that had poisoned attempts to build rank and file organisations around housing, health, busses, unions, and anti-war. Similarly not reflection was made on the rank-and-file workers who took issue with, and fell foul of the CP's slavish dedication to the murderous stalin.
Yet these very same people now parade around as the true and untarnished face of struggle in NZ.
They either have to account for their former deficiencies and re-evaluate how their philosophical understanding interacted with their practise or the suspicion remains that they learned very little and merely substituted one overseas guru for another.

Similarly with the new-WP. Some of their members have a history that harks back to the old maoist days, and have legacies in practise that have left a memory amongst activists of the period. I am certainly not alone in hoping that the crisis has focussed WP and other comrades on the real struggle that we have a daily impact in, and will lead to their continued determination to combat the sectarianism of the past. I don't discount the possibility that this will happen, and some of their work seems to head in this direction.
Time will tell. But some real public accounting would undoubtedly speed the process.

Anyway the intent of the original article wasn't to bag the new-WP but to take issue with their detractors, who still haven't put up any practical proposals as opposed to abuse. At least the CPNZ's and the old WP's abuse was in the past.
The mouthy lads who slag them off continue to commit the crime.
Solidarity.

Re: Anti-capitalist Alliance becomes the Workers Party

I question the implications made by IMC with the comment:

"Some of their members have a history that harks back to the old maoist days, and have legacies in practise that have left a memory amongst activists of the period"

Although only for 6 months, I was a member of the WPNZ which formed in 1991. Overall I think that organisation has left any 'bad legacies' in fact I believe its overall contribute was quite positive. I understand it did make some errors, for example the Party's analysis of the Alliance in the 1990s later proved to be incorrect. But that was acknowledged at that time.

Criticisms of the CPNZ however are valid. I've read copies of the 'People's Voice'from 1990 where they still held up Stalin. Then four years later in 1994 they became Cliffite, who basically are knee jerk anti Stalin (to the point where they supported the US backed Mujuhadeen in Afghanistan in 1979 against the Soviet Union). They basically did a complete political U-Turn without explanation or correction. By Contrast the ACA has changed its name, but the Spark is still the Spark and the message will remain consistant.

Correction

"Overall I think that organisation has left any 'bad legacies' "

Obviously this should say "that organisation hasn't left any 'bad legacies'"

Re: Anti-capitalist Alliance becomes the Workers Party

In Vino Veritas Nick
: )